[TGE-mail] Tgena Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9BPWNA Publications bpwnapub at yahoo.comFri Mar 9 09:27:19 CST 2007
Concerning the use of parking lots on Grand and placement of such. When I use shops and stores on Grand, I avoided parking in the Commerce lot because it was assumed that it was for bank business. Just as it has been stated previously, people didn't park in the lot for fear of being towed. Even though this lot is owned by Commerce bank, it was never indicated that it could be used for public parking. The current lot is not too far from Grand. Besides...the GOAL of revitlization is to provide services and amenities for RESIDENTS that are within walking distance. Having parking directly on the street may give customers immediate access to the store/business they are headed to, but what it doesn't do is have the same customer walk past other businesses. The PUSH in urban redevelopment is to create "collection spaces" for people. This means grouping businesses together that a custormer might use in a single shopping trip. Neighborhoods are built when there is commonality of tastes and desires. Diversity is playing a big part in the mix, creating opportunities for many different types of businesses to service the residents. The important thing is to tell/share with residents what they can and can not do or use. In the case of the parking lot for Commerce Bank, the assumption was that it was off limits. If there were signs indicating that a section or all the lot was available for public parking, then it would be used. Bill Byrd Resident in a near neighborhood that know Grand Commercial area services all residents in the surrounding neighborhoods. tgena-request at lists.more.net wrote: Send Tgena mailing list submissions to tgena at lists.more.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.more.net/mailman/listinfo/tgena or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tgena-request at lists.more.net You can reach the person managing the list at tgena-owner at lists.more.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tgena digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: commerce bank development (kris quint) 2. Upcoming events (norah.ryan at att.net) 3. Re: commerce bank development (dralexp) 4. Erato Wine Bar - Entertainment Update (Adam Pashea) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:25:51 -0800 (PST) From: kris quint Subject: Re: [TGE-mail] commerce bank development To: Tim Vogt , 'Andrew Weil' , 'tower grove east listserve' Message-ID: <127024.37032.qm at web51507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 mayor slay chimes in on this topic on his blog: mayorslay.com --- Tim Vogt wrote: > Mr. Weil I understand your points of view on this > matter, but numerous > studies have been taken, and the fact of the matter > is that no one will > park behind commerce. Commerce has selected a > developer to build condos > on the vacant lots behind the bank. I have talked > with this > > Developer and he hope's to break ground this summer. > Commerce > understands the need for parking on Grand and I > personally feel that > this additional parking will only help the > businesses on Grand. > Consumers want to be able to park as close to their > destination as > possible. Commerce is also open the idea of, down > the road, building a > 2-3 level garage with 1st floor retail. An older > site plan shows this > building on the corner of Grand and Juniata. The > building on the site > plan has the same design as the current bank. As > the demand increases I > am certain Commerce will proceed with the addition > of a building that > will accommodate retail and parking. In the end the > there will be a > more continuous flow of retain along this stretch. > The bank has > invested 14 million in their site to date, and I > have the utmost > confidence that the Commerce understands and agrees > with the need for > close proximity parking to Grand and the additional > need for retail. > > > > Timothy Vogt > > Vice President > > Millennium Restoration & Development Corp. > > P: 314.772.9200 > > F: 314.772.9201 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tgena-bounces at lists.more.net > [mailto:tgena-bounces at lists.more.net] > On Behalf Of Andrew Weil > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:18 AM > To: tower grove east listserve > Subject: [TGE-mail] commerce bank development > > > > Is anyone else concerned that the Commerce Bank > development is planning > on putting yet another surface parking lot that > fronts on Grand, rather > than using the space where the vacant Roosevelt Bank > building is to > continue the commercial/mixed use corridor? It is > very backward from an > urban design perspective, especially when one > considers that there are > already surface lots on either side of Jay's > (immediately south of the > proposed lot). The South Grand strip is currently > booming, and to > ensure that the pattern continues, we need to make > sure that the > developments adhere to principles of density and > design. The more dense > the development along Grand, the more walkable it > becomes. The more > walkable it becomes, the better the businesses will > do. If businesses do > well, more will come and Grand becomes more of a > destination. More of a > destination, higher property values and more fun > things to do in our > neighborhood. They can put the surface lot off of > Grand, we need that > space for a mixed use development of some kind. > > > _______________________________________________ > Tgena mailing list > Tgena at lists.more.net > http://lists.more.net/mailman/listinfo/tgena > "Let the world change you, and you can change the world." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:39:35 +0000 From: norah.ryan at att.net Subject: [TGE-mail] Upcoming events To: tgena at lists.more.net (tgena mail list) Message-ID: <030820071739.4785.45F04A56000743A8000012B12160280651020E979DD2080E9D0102 at att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reminders - upcoming TGE events: Tonight - March 8, 2007 Weed & Seed Crime Fighting Meeting, 6:00 p.m., Five Star Senior Center, 2832 Arsenal St., followed by St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department Third District Public Affairs Meeting at 7:30 p.m. Tonight's speaker at the Third District meeting is Catherine Hanaway, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri. March 10, 2007, 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. – SLACO Neighborhoods Conference at Forest Park Community College. Cost is $15.00, includes a box lunch. SLACO (St. Louis Association of Community Organizations) can be reached at 533-9104 or go to http://stlouis.missouri.org/501c/slaco/ for registration form, or call Forest Park Community College to register by phone. This is SLACO’s 12th Annual Neighborhoods Conference. Keynote speaker this year is Peter Raven. March 22, 2007 General Membership Meeting – TGENA – 7:30 p.m., Cafeteria, St. Elizabeth Academy, 3401 Arsenal. April 4, 2007 TGENA Board Meeting – 7:00 p.m., Board Room, Five Star Senior Center, 2832 Arsenal St. (east of Gravois). April 12, 2007 Weed & Seed Crime Fighting Meeting, 6:00 p.m., Five Star Senior Center, 2832 Arsenal St., followed by St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department Third District Public Affairs Meeting at 7:30 p.m. (informational speaker). April 21 & 22 Grand South Grand House Tour. Contact Anne Moore, 772-6263, for more information or to volunteer. Tickets available on house tour day at the northeast corner of So. Grand and Juniata. April 26, 2007 General Membership Meeting – TGENA – 7:30 p.m., Cafeteria, St. Elizabeth Academy, 3401 Arsenal. April 28, 2007 Operation Brightside Project Blitz for Region 2 South. Join with your neighbors to clean up your alley or street. Call 772-4646 or go to http://stlouis.missouri.org/501c/brightside/ for more information. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.more.net/archives/tgena/attachments/20070308/42cb10f9/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:57:40 -0800 (PST) From: dralexp Subject: Re: [TGE-mail] commerce bank development To: tgena at lists.more.net Message-ID: <724807.63876.qm at web32601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mr. Vogt, I must respectfully disagree with you that no one will park behind Commerce. People do not seem to have a problem parking behind the buildings that house Qdoba, Bread Co. and Hollywood Video. That lot is almost always full. When I first moved to the area from Chicago five years ago, a couple things struck me about that lot. One, I thought it was Commerce customer parking only, and if I parked there, perhaps I might be towed. That might have been the Chicago 'combat parking' training kicking in, but perhaps many people here think the same. Second, the condition of the lot has been improved some since they rebuilt the bank, but not so long ago (and still even towards the back of that lot) you would be placing the well being of your vehicle at the mercy of the potholes and glass that littered the place. Keeping the buildings on the street and parking in the back would be the best decision now and for the future. Plans for down the road are rarely followed through with, unless they are put into contracts. Delmar in U-City has no problem with parking lots behind buildings, why should Grand be any different? I think some good signage ("FREE PARKING HERE --->"), or like the lots around the Pageant would be a huge help in letting people know where they can park. That is my two cents, but I have to agree with Andrew on this one. Thanks, Alex On 3/8/07, Tim Vogt wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:02:48 -0600 > From: "Tim Vogt" > Subject: Re: [TGE-mail] commerce bank development > To: "'Andrew Weil'" , "'tower grove east > listserve'" > Message-ID: <000401c760e2$d0e4f610$d001a8c0 at millenium.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mr. Weil I understand your points of view on this matter, but numerous > studies have been taken, and the fact of the matter is that no one will > park behind commerce. Commerce has selected a developer to build condos > on the vacant lots behind the bank. I have talked with this > > Developer and he hope's to break ground this summer. Commerce > understands the need for parking on Grand and I personally feel that > this additional parking will only help the businesses on Grand. > Consumers want to be able to park as close to their destination as > possible. Commerce is also open the idea of, down the road, building a > 2-3 level garage with 1st floor retail. An older site plan shows this > building on the corner of Grand and Juniata. The building on the site > plan has the same design as the current bank. As the demand increases I > am certain Commerce will proceed with the addition of a building that > will accommodate retail and parking. In the end the there will be a > more continuous flow of retain along this stretch. The bank has > invested 14 million in their site to date, and I have the utmost > confidence that the Commerce understands and agrees with the need for > close proximity parking to Grand and the additional need for retail. > > > Timothy Vogt > Vice President > Millennium Restoration & Development Corp. > P: 314.772.9200 > F: 314.772.9201 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tgena-bounces at lists.more.net [mailto:tgena-bounces at lists.more.net] > On Behalf Of Andrew Weil > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:18 AM > To: tower grove east listserve > Subject: [TGE-mail] commerce bank development > > > Is anyone else concerned that the Commerce Bank development is planning > on putting yet another surface parking lot that fronts on Grand, rather > than using the space where the vacant Roosevelt Bank building is to > continue the commercial/mixed use corridor? It is very backward from an > urban design perspective, especially when one considers that there are > already surface lots on either side of Jay's (immediately south of the > proposed lot). The South Grand strip is currently booming, and to > ensure that the pattern continues, we need to make sure that the > developments adhere to principles of density and design. The more dense > the development along Grand, the more walkable it becomes. The more > walkable it becomes, the better the businesses will do. If businesses do > well, more will come and Grand becomes more of a destination. More of a > destination, higher property values and more fun things to do in our > neighborhood. They can put the surface lot off of Grand, we need that > space for a mixed use development of some kind. > --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.more.net/archives/tgena/attachments/20070308/e01712cb/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:22:02 -0600 From: "Adam Pashea" Subject: [TGE-mail] Erato Wine Bar - Entertainment Update To: "'Tower Grove Heights'" , "'Tower Grove East Lists'" , "'Tower Grove South'" Message-ID: <003401c761a6$4a6fba10$6a01a8c0 at D35N9971> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Neighborhood Residents: It's time to break out of the cocoon, Spring is almost here, and we have lots of fun things planned for March and April at Erato Wine Bar. I won't mention names, but many of you have been hibernating for far too long! Adam =1&EmID=11215656&Link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eratowines.com> www.eratowines.com =1&EmID=11215656&Link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eratowines.com> Erato Wine Bar Wine Bottles Wednesday, March 7 Entertainment Update Weekend Entertainment Javier Mendoza Javier Mendoza Thursday, March 8 at 9 p.m. =1&EmID=11215656&Link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.javiermendoza.com%2F> www.javiermendoza.com Singer, songwriter, and percussive acoustic guitarist Javier Mendoza blends his Spanish roots and his classic and modern rock influences to deliver a unique transnational sound that will reach your soul and get you up and groovin'. _____ Gingko Biloba Friday, March 9 at 9 p.m. Come visit Erato Wine Bar on Friday to catch Jazz and World Music Quartet Gingko Biloba featuring percussionist Ali Soltanshahi and Vocalist Megan Rooney. Founder of Ginkgo Biloba, percussionist Ali Soltanshahi is a citizen of the world; born in Tehran, Iran in a music loving family; raised in Strasbourg, France, and educated in St. Louis, MO (USA) where he resides, Ali founded =1&EmID=11215656&Link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myspace.com%2Fgb4world> G i n k g o * B i l o b a * World * Music in 2005 to promote cross-cultural awareness through music as music is truly an international language that knows no frontier. _____ Farshid Etniko Saturday, March 10 at 9 p.m. =1&EmID=11215656&Link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.farshidetniko.com> www.farshidetniko.com Farshid etniKo's Latin jazz and world music influence brings their audience a new experience in listening and dancing pleasure. They perform original music written by Farshid, jazz standards, and songs with a Latin flavor and Persian touch. _____ Open Mic Night Open Mic Night Sunday, March 11 8 p.m. Enjoy open mic night every Sunday at Erato Wine Bar with hosts Patrick Quint & Tommy Halloran from 8:00 p.m. - 12:00 a.m. Pinot Wine Tasting Wine Glasses Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:30 - 9:30 p.m. Come taste over twenty wines at our Pinot Wine Tasting at Erato Wine Bar. Wines featured at the tasting will include red wine Pinot varietals, including Pinot Noir from the '03 and '04 Burgundy vintages, and new world Pinot Noir from the vineyards of Oregon, California, Australia and Argentina. With springtime just around the corner, this tasting will also include white wine Pinot varietals including Pinot Gris/Grigio, and Pinot Blanc/Bianco. These wines can range from light and floral, to wines that are richly-textured and brimming with tropical fruit flavors. These wines are a perfect match for spring salads, soups, and seafood dishes. The admission for this event is $25 and will include: * Hors D'oeuvres * 10% Discount on Featured Wines * No Corkage Fee on Featured Wines * FREE concert immediately following the tasting _____ Beer Tasting Beer Thursday, May 22, 2007 7:30 - 9:30 p.m. Join Chris Hoskins, of Missouri Beverage Distributing, and the official Erato Wine Bar beer tasting crew for an evening of wheat and barley that is sure to knock your hops off! Chris usually brings lots of beer to these tastings. But rather than bringing large quantities of just one single brand of beer (like for instance, case upon case of icey-cold "MGD lite"), he will instead offer a sampling of over 20 different ales and lagers for you to enjoy from around the world. This tasting will cover a diversity of beer styles and origins, including Belgian Trappist Ales, German Wheats, European lagers and the latest American microbrews. 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