[TGE-mail] Tgena Digest, Vol 20, Issue 9

Fri Mar 9 13:32:43 CST 2007

About five years ago, I was one of the participants in
a parking study/planning group. Obviously the district
has had some changes, but there's still relevant
information to this discussion:

http://stlouis.missouri.org/citygov/planning/southgrand/

http://stlouis.missouri.org/501c/slaco/htmlFiles/SouthGrandStudy/sograndparkingstudy.html

dave drebes

--- BPWNA Publications <bpwnapub at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Concerning the use of parking lots on Grand and
> placement of such.
> 
> When I use shops and stores on Grand, I avoided
> parking in the Commerce lot because it was assumed
> that it was for bank business.  Just as it has been
> stated previously, people didn't park in the lot for
> fear of being towed.
> 
> Even though this lot is owned by Commerce bank, it
> was never indicated that it could be used for public
> parking.
> 
> The current lot is not too far from Grand. 
> Besides...the GOAL of revitlization is to provide
> services and amenities for RESIDENTS that are within
> walking distance.
> 
> Having parking directly on the street may give
> customers immediate access to the store/business
> they are headed to, but what it doesn't do is have
> the same customer walk past other businesses.
> 
> The PUSH in urban redevelopment is to create
> "collection spaces" for people.  This means grouping
> businesses together that a custormer might use in a
> single shopping trip.
> 
> Neighborhoods are built when there is commonality of
> tastes and desires.  Diversity is playing a big part
> in the mix, creating opportunities for many
> different types of businesses to service the
> residents.
> 
> The important thing is to tell/share with residents
> what they can and can not do or use.  In the case of
> the parking lot for Commerce Bank, the assumption
> was that it was off limits.  If there were signs
> indicating that a section or all the lot was
> available for public parking, then it would be used.
> 
> Bill Byrd
> Resident in a near neighborhood that know Grand
> Commercial area services all residents in the
> surrounding neighborhoods.
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:25:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: kris quint 
> Subject: Re: [TGE-mail] commerce bank development
> To: Tim Vogt , 'Andrew Weil'
>  , 'tower grove east listserve'
>  
> Message-ID:
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> 
> mayor slay chimes in on this topic on his blog:
> mayorslay.com
> 
> 
> 
> --- Tim Vogt  wrote:
> 
> > Mr. Weil I understand your points of view on this
> > matter, but numerous
> > studies have been taken, and the fact of the
> matter
> > is that no one will
> > park behind commerce.  Commerce has selected a
> > developer to build condos
> > on the vacant lots behind the bank.  I have talked
> > with this
> > 
> > Developer and he hope's to break ground this
> summer.
> >  Commerce
> > understands the need for parking on Grand and I
> > personally feel that
> > this additional parking will only help the
> > businesses on Grand.
> > Consumers want to be able to park as close to
> their
> > destination as
> > possible.   Commerce is also open the idea of,
> down
> > the road, building a
> > 2-3 level garage with 1st floor retail.  An older
> > site plan shows this
> > building on the corner of Grand and Juniata.  The
> > building on the site
> > plan has the same design as the current bank.  As
> > the demand increases I
> > am certain Commerce will proceed with the addition
> > of a building that
> > will accommodate retail and parking.  In the end
> the
> > there will be a
> > more continuous flow of retain along this stretch.
> 
> > The bank has
> > invested 14 million in their site to date, and I
> > have the utmost
> > confidence that the Commerce understands and
> agrees
> > with the need for
> > close proximity parking to Grand and the
> additional
> > need for retail.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Timothy Vogt
> > 
> > Vice President 
> > 
> > Millennium Restoration & Development Corp.
> > 
> > P: 314.772.9200
> > 
> > F: 314.772.9201
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tgena-bounces at lists.more.net
> > [mailto:tgena-bounces at lists.more.net]
> > On Behalf Of Andrew Weil
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:18 AM
> > To: tower grove east listserve
> > Subject: [TGE-mail] commerce bank development
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Is anyone else concerned that the Commerce Bank
> > development is planning
> > on putting yet another surface parking lot that
> > fronts on Grand, rather
> > than using the space where the vacant Roosevelt
> Bank
> > building is to
> > continue the commercial/mixed use corridor?  It is
> > very backward from an
> > urban design perspective, especially when one
> > considers that there are
> > already surface lots on either side of Jay's
> > (immediately south of the
> > proposed lot).  The South Grand strip is currently
> > booming, and to
> > ensure that the pattern continues, we need to make
> > sure that the
> > developments adhere to principles of density and
> > design.  The more dense
> > the development along Grand, the more walkable it
> > becomes. The more
> > walkable it becomes, the better the businesses
> will
> > do. If businesses do
> > well, more will come and Grand becomes more of a
> > destination.  More of a
> > destination, higher property values and more fun
> > things to do in our
> > neighborhood.  They can put the surface lot off of
> > Grand, we need that
> > space for a mixed use development of some kind.
> > 
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